<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? 0. Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. I think the voice would have rung a bell and the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so he was in shock. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. It's a kind of dissassociation from reality, and an obsessive flight of ideas, into endless, words and meta-words. This is Eyes Wide Shut revisited. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. This is the implication of Dream Storytoo - with the movie being quite faithful to the structure of the novella - though Kubrick obviously leaves this moment up to interpretation. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). ", "I saw her body in the morgue. Much as you often dream of people, in a distorted way, whom you met while awake. ME> Again. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. What a mish mash of mentalmasturbation that is..", " Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. But it is obvious from Kubrick's portrayal of Somerton that thewomen are there purely as sex-workers, are there toservice the inner sanctum of male patriarchy in the ritualized desire-space of the power elite at Somerton. Statanic mass? People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. > He didn't recognise her voice. "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? :>released around the same time, The Ninth Gate. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." ", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIXuHaaz5iU, > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is) on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. ", "They were nutcases. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad orpsychotherapists. >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." So is Ziegler lying? And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. It was a party nevertheless. Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. >>Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >>her voice in his head while looking over the body. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. and> pleading with her to take off her mask? >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. The Daily Planet may go under too. Poor Clark. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. I recognized the voice of the mysterious woman first time I saw the film. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. There's also search enginessuch as Google where you can search for information. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. But then, Ziegler's 'explanation', his retconningof past events, only serves to further propel Bill into subjectivedestitution, another 'replay' of Bill's unmasking at Somerton, Zieglerpower-presiding over Bill's position and status at a red pool-tablemuch like Red Cloak presided over the power ritual on a red carpet atSomerton. Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curransuffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make aconnection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafethat set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier servedas Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. Somerton could hardly be >> >>>>>> described (and>, >> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. <<<<<<<<<<<>. >He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. Was she the women at the party?" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" She helps Bill at the Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? Why would he demand that she take off> her mask if this were so? > But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure > of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). > slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." MYMENU MYMENU Masquerade Mask For Couples He wasn't positive. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. <<<<<<<<<<. > Take another listen. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here that unless they are encoded in single frames for analyssis will alwasy be a mystery. He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. So, they joined Snctm because they heard it was the best of the best in the Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. It's just idiotic. WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. It was in the trailer or a TV spot. 2. "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message news:47881976$0$11015$4c36@roadrunner.com "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! On Friday, July 17, 2015 at 5:36:03 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, byend.removethisbityousillyper@eskimo.com, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inLfK535oxs. He was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," were killers. 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