Her gun was unloaded while the thugs were not. I also have the Kahr. Maybe something like this? Funny, I have the SCCY CPX-2 and I love it. Hellcat 380. I think the wheel guns are less likely to have a problem. Ive put plenty of rounds through my p3at and its reliable. It has the stopping power necessary to approach a threat, while still maintaining the size required for comfortable everyday carry. In fact, yanking the mag should tell him to learn the gun. Or do you just sit around Mommies basement pretending to be a gun commando? Ruger LCP II 3. I bought a SCCY CPX-2 a few months ago . In 2017, SIG Sauer produced a unicorn of a pistol in the P365. From what I have heard the folks at SCCY provide great customer service. So the recoil is stout. Because they just have a vendetta against these manufacturers? Totally precision stainless steel receiver, chassis, guide rod, best sights in class, best take down in class, One of the most Mild mannered shooting guns made for that size. SuccySuckeySuckySucySukyNope. And that considering the Kahr is a fine gun. Built like a tank. An odd shaped frame that in my opinion they actually went too small on trying to outdo everyone to be the king of small in 380s. Jimenez was one former name for Cobra also Loren was also a former name . He says it is a blunder. The original Ruger LCP has been perhaps the most well-known and popular .380 pocket pistol since it was first introduced in 2008. I have not had to use them as my SCCY has functioned perfectly so far. The CPX-3 and CPX-4 is now available in 380 with less recoil. I shoot pocket guns all the time. ******SPONSORED CONTENT/PRODUCT PLACEMENT******. To quote his expertise is laughable. Those small NAA revolvers you have to learn how to safely load and unload. 3) SCCY Industries CPX-2(4.3 stars 0.4, 99 votes). Get real. As soon as I saw the title I knew the Pico would be on the list. No gun, none, should have a mag release that is that stiff and impossible to use fast and effectively, especially in a carry gun none the less. There are many different 380 pistol options, but our favorites include the following: Ruger LCP II, Walther PK380, Kel-tec P3AT, Taurus Spectrum, and M&P Shield EZ. Maybe so few were sold they didnt make the list. These are not military combat weapons. The stats of the survey may need to be expanded on as well but for the most part would not own any of the others either, just my opinion. They never protected their early designs/. Their customer service is great and my pistol has run 100% since I bought it with multiples of hundreds of rounds through it. Ive had one for 5 years with no more problems than a Kel-tech 380, and Ruger LCP I compared side by side at the range. they gladly took it back and said the Cobra .380 was selling like hotcakes. Im guessing a .40 S&W round is just too unpleasant to shoot in this uber lightweight polymer-framed pocket gun. The Beretta Tomcat, though only .32, much fatter, and blowback, is a far, far superior gun. Stainless STEEL barrel, CHASSIS, best sights made on a pocket gun, Magazines that look like Custume 1911, all stainless steel with even a Steel follower. And than some. We both agreed, the TCP trigger was superior to the LCP. Otherwise a worthy imitator of the abandoned Walther PPK. People cant make crap up in their comments? How is the pot metal Cobra #2? How many times are there accidental discharges from soft triggers? Thus it works as a safety (just like a S&W revolver). Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I think it would have to be the 2mm Kolibri. Its the worlds smallest handgun, and develops just 4 joules of muzzle energy. Its not a joke weapon He says the trigger is horrible? (Including the book he wrote about how to cheat Amazon buyers by faking reviews.). Wecantdislike shooting it so much that well never practice with it. How is it possibly at the top of the list? Top 5 .380 Pistols Our Top Pick Glock 42 .380 ACP Sportsmans Warehouse (Check Price) Palmetto State Armory (Check Price) Primary Arms (Check There are many more maligned pocket guns and sub-compacts on the market than these two. I dont see it. Did he shoot various ammo or run them for accuracy. The Recoil spring is a one spring like almost any other. Five for sure and nobody can show otherwise. Nice gun, but many of Kahr owners go to the Pico and never look back. Considering the price point of the SCCY, its fit, finish and functionality is excellent. Like a great car or movie, a great firearm can become a true classic. Mostly new firearm buyers that buy into all the advertising and ridiculous internet junk. While the track is double, both trains were traveling in opposite directions on the same line near the Vale of Tempe, a river valley about 380 kilometers (235 miles) north of Athens. I have no Idea how this writer came up with this Bottom Feeder nonsense. The guy did a service to the gun community by creating this website and writing a cautionary article, and some assholes gotta focus on the self-promotion. The price is right, but the performance and ratings just arent. The .380 pistol which has the least recoil? Above, a Ruger, below a Browning 1911380 Without even looking at their spec sheets, we can guess that Expand your opinion to something legitimate and/or constructive with first hand knowledge. They pretty much invented the theory of if you get a good one its good, but when you get a bad one its bad. So there. He rated it 2.5 stars out of 5 and wrote, I dont hate it. Still, thats pretty tepid, and our readers rate it well below average. Texas Teens Getting Carry Licenses! Ruger LCR in 38 spcl +P. And I will do my best to talk others out of Kahr products. SRP: $269. Here are some basic facts for the Ruger LCP II: In conclusion, the Ruger LCP II simply represents the beginning of the evolution of the .380 pocket pistol. The Ruger LCP II, released by Ruger at the end of 2016, sought to remedy many of those downsides. HICKCOCK45 SAID OF THE PICO I really like this trigger. WebBeretta Pico: Worst .380 In the World?! I love my CPX-1. Great sights, ability to change out to night sights and on and on. Shoots fine, never a problem, kills my hand. The gun works. Of course the gun was the new upgraded model. Personally, Id like to see something a little more scientific than a survey since we have no idea if the respondents even handled the firearm. My Gosh folks, this is total BS, read the directions. Ive got a CPX-2 and a Hellcat. My hands are simply too large for the tiny Ruger. In +P it hurt my hand, so I went to regular 38 spcl. The Pico is one of the most mild shooting pocket guns you will ever shoot. I had a CPX-2, functionality and reliability i couldnt complain about. My NAA .380 ACP with Novak 3 dot night sights has been 100% reliable with every ammo tried and as accurate as I am. Beretta did a fine job on the Pocket Pistol. Worst Guns Ever Nambu: The Nambu is one of the worst pistols ever designed. And for sure never shot one. Far better than any of the others gun you talk about on this rag of a story. I have been shooting pocket guns for years. Sig without question is the "Caddilac". No it is not a light striker fired trigger. In other words, its not pleasant to shot at all. I. .380 pocket pistols are incredibly easy to conceal, and this is what is largely attributed to their long time popularity in the United States. Well, Taurus only makes one gun that really meets the pocket pistol criteria set forth in the article. No problems what so ever. Or has been suggested earlier you can just go snub nosed revolver. So Ill pass on the herd mentality when buying guns thanks.. Combined with the teflon-like nickle finish and the worlds stiffest recoil spring, its almost impossible to rack. I own two of them, shoot pockets guns each week and have been for years. When I told him I never have a problem with my P-11 or my wifes Ruger SR-9, he then said maybe its the ammo. Im glad it ended well, but if he hadnt scored a first round hit he would have been screwed for real. In contrast to this, the original LCP did not lock back on the final round. Still cant find that silent u in it to make it sky. Safe, small, and gives me some measure of security I wouldnt have without it. Sure, I can see how many people liked or didnt like a firearm, but more important than that is the REASON they voted the way they did. That right there should have indicated that something was up when they feature it at a SHOT SHOW and it takes 2 years to finally put it out for sale. Oh shit! Great little pistol. There is a reason why this is Berettas top Pocket gun. Glad to see it was noted as rating highly, and not on the list. I have several pocket pistols, Just had my XDS 45 fail on me (Light primer strikes) and have another XDS in 9MM, I have a S&W Sigma 380, that works but is less pleasing than my two Ruger LCPs, Kahr, CW380, or my Colt Mustang XSP. He paid people to review his book on Amazon. just kidding 32,490 views Aug 21, 2021 1.1K Dislike Share nutnfancy 852K subscribers Another ranting reviewoh man we do not like Web.380 pocket pistols have a well-deserved reputation for having some of the worst trigger pulls of any semi-automatic pistols on the market. After this 1911 bill gets passed, Ill be carrying a 1911. Otherwise you will just get a ton of, Wait, that gun is not a GLOCK! Mine also runs well, and they feel really well made. AND, NAA has first class warranty service. As far as the magazine release, its perfect for my needs. They have gotten great reviews and by the serial numbers and manufacture dates on the 2 guns, their sales have gone up 4x but the QC has suffered greatly. Was definitely surprised that certain other brands didnt make the list. Take down the Pico. That would be TTAG, and a handful of others. No I dont own one I own two. Which is good compared to many overpriced semi auto pistols which are not as dependable. like any gun it can have its issues so can the SCCY but if you really look at it, compact light and I also Have the Kahr CW380 nice guy but finicky on ammo. Man, all I can say is when you mentioned the Pico, you sure messed up on that one. My dad bought a CPX-whichever has the safety about a month ago; Ill have to ask him what he thinks of it next time we talk. Anything In the Ring of Fire Family. She shot both, along with a used Beretta .380, and chose the Sig despite the price being just about double at the time. It shoots all varieties of .380 ammo Ive ever run through it. The guns with the lower number of people voting are probably irrelevant no matter what their scores are. Both the front and rear sights are black which can make it difficult to see them if you are aiming against a dark background. Given how clannish and brand-loyal a lot of gunners are, it wouldnt shock me if about half the votes against the SCCY were cast because it wasnt a Glock 43, or something equally biased and stupid. This article was amateurishly conceived and executed, even if only judging by the hit-piece commentary on the SCCY. No problems with it at all. Ruger LCR Pistol Ruger LCR Ruger LCR .357 Mag. Bottom line: you can do much better. yes the Masss might love them, but who the hell are the masses? The .380 ACP is not a powerhouse, but its often enough. However it is not any where near the build quality of the Beretta Pico. Im thinking about getting a second one to keep in my truck or with my bow hunting gear. The Mag release is a piece of cake. Plus, the Picos 9mm cousin, the Nano, rates well above average. Types Of .380 Pistols Subcompact vs Micro-Compact Single-Stack vs Double-Stack Magazines What Should You Look for in a No issues to complain about. [Edit: Jeremy S. had issues w/ the Pico as well], 5) Kahr Arms CM40(3.8 stars 0.7, 36 votes). While larger .380 pistols such as the Walther PPK/S, Walther PK380, Bersa Thunder 380, and Glock 42 dont have this problem, the truly small pocket pistols such as the LCP and TCP most certainly do. Or did all those voters fly to Russia to test them out? Its definitely not perfect but it is far from the worst gun Ive owned. The movie Gigli had the worst, lowest rating ever on IMDB, voted on by tens of thousands of people. I find that many pistols jam because of a defective magazine thats not feeding properly. This article was total BS. The CM9 is a great gun. Bersa Thunder 5. I am a Pocket gun enthusiast. 6. Therefore, if you want the slide to lock back, you need to use the magazines that were made specifically for the LCP II. The trigger reset does suck but its still a great gun. Actually the design was made so that the magazine would not pop out on firing like other small pocket guns are guilty of, use the release correctly and it is a breeze. I have thousands of rounds through the Picos and trust me, they hold up like the tank they are. The gun works incredibly well if you use the recommend FMJ ammo as listed in the manual. I sell guns and have ZERO hesitation about selling someone a CPX-2 for everyday carry. I really get the feeling you know little about the Pico. Sorry, but NOT my Kahr. We indicate sponsored content as such. And just recently bought my Third Pico. Actually if the SCCY is on here then the Mill Pro G2 should be also, and that gun is a trainwreck compared to the SCCY. The trigger guard on the LCP has also been enlarged in order to accommodate a gloved finger without risking pulling the trigger. Ruger listened to the criticism, which resulted in the birth of the LCP II. Obviously you really do not get into pocket guns or spend time with folks that do. This article by Alex Joseph originally appeared at Gun News Daily in 2019. All run like sewing machines. I recommend them to people all the time, but I do caution that, as is to be expected with a DAO, the trigger is long. I had an occasional ejection glitch in mine when I first got it, but the company paid to have it shipped back to them for adjustment, and the piece hasnt hiccupped a single time, since. Keep up the good work Jed, and thanks for the article. The first generation CPX-1s had some problems and gave the company a bad rep starting out, but the company was so adamant that they fixed their second Gen guns that you can send any of the old ones back (they shipped in red boxes) and they will replace them with brand new Gen 2s (which ship in blackish gray boxes). When I hear someone put down the Pico, I know they do not shoot often. How anyone can actually report that a gun that has the build quality of the Pico is one of the worst is beyond me. After we shot a bit we could ring that gong regularly. Note to self, Get to the range! Booth #72617 Cabot Guns Thank-you. . There really is NO WAY to know if the rating is based on a real, objective assessment of the firearm. Ruger has proven that you dont need to have an arduous and gritty trigger pull on a .380 auto and its likely that more manufacturers will now follow their lead. Kahr makes a lot of pocket guns, and several of them rate really well. It had some issues ejecting, but a trip to the factory corrected the issues. I happen to own a SCCY and have never ever had a FTF or FTE its a very light and compact gun in a 9mm platform with 11 rounds But despite those advantages, .380 pocket pistols have also been plagued by a number of downsides. Each of these guns has a lightweight, compact design making them ideal for concealed carry. Or the Springfield EMP (Though mine runs awesome, they are known for manufacturing problems). Its pretty clear why. Try the Sig P938 If you are truly carrying for protection you dont mind the Sig Price if your life is on the line and the P938 shoots like a minature 1911 Love mine and have had several friends buy them after shooting my P938 SAS. TTAG has some of the worst reviewers in history. Taurus 738: Price $355.66. If its good Ill spread the word. My son made sure I carried a SW9VE for daily use. ONE STAR FOR YOU! kind of reviews. Probably have about 2500 rounds through it. It is not some junker throwaway, but a solid, well machined piece with a heavy but smooth DAO trigger which emulates a DA revolver, by design and makes the piece perhaps a bit more safely carried and handled for many that may feel uncomfortable with a light, short pull SA. Go to Genitron and compare.And very little muzzle flip. CPX 2. Actually, the KelTec P11 is the same size, came first and holds two more rounds. Cant say LCP is much better than any of these above, but it has been reliable. BATTLE OF THE RUGER .380S: LCP VS. LCP II. Pointing a gun will not stop a thug. and wrote the entire line off. Sean, I cannot find documentation of John Lott having bought reviews on Amazon. 72 people have given the Arsenal Strike 1 a mediocre rating. I own expensive pistols and revolvers, as well as a SCCY CPX-2. Their Reviewers have alot of feed issues due to lack of knowledge of proper grip. Super long heavy pull, which is understandable on a DA only no safety gun. Mine works, has worked, continues to work, and has never not gone bang. The LCP II also features forward and rear serrations on the slide, whereas the original LCP only featured serrations on the rear. i cant effectively describe the feel of the action; except to say it was similar to dragging a cinder block up a gravel hill. No problem with the SCCY at all. Who knew a firearm could actually be worse? then hold slide to the rear for 1 second before you hear things fall into place? Anonymous reviews should be taken VERY suspiciouslyof all product, not just guns. Anyway, all just my opinion here. I dont expect any pocket gun to be pleasant to shoot, but I ditched my Hellcat after experiencing multiple failures to eject two types of ammo. The take down lever is actually easy to use once get use to it. For this purpose, I actually switched to an NAA pug. I have put about 2000 rounds through them 100% reliable so far. You should consider using a Bayesian average for this situation. Keltec P-11 listed as 10+1 on THEIR website. This guy most definitely does not have one clue about the Pico. It is designed as a personal defense arm not a target pistol or a plunker. Standing out as one of the smallest on this list, Kahr isnt a According to our peers, here are the six worst pocketguns, from less awful to worstest. The Pico is top notch. Except for a derringer but that is because the prior owner dry fired it which you are to never do. Id have to disagree with the cpx2s place on the list even though the company had growing pains. Its on the edge of what Id consider using for self-defense, but Id recommend trying to move up to 9mm if possible. Hence why Hipoints explode when high pressure rounds are put in them or dont feed reliably when hollowpoints are used. Im a Glock 27 guy, so I dont mind recoil. Snicker. The problem with the group wisdom line of thinking is that you cannot separate the people with actual hands on experience with the firearm in question from actual users, which is always a problem with new guns. capacity. Basically I hate these guns because I hate these guns, and you should too because I do. This is the closest I have ever been to accusing TTAG of pandering to the highest advertising contributors (i. e. not a SINGLE Taurus gun on here? Just my two. To send it back would cost to much and the internet dealer would not stand behind it !! I have shot the Pico with thousands of rounds and can honestly say I have Never had ONE single failure out of thousands of rounds. So I returned it to them, they replaced several worn parts and returned it. AMEN . +1. Its not Remington R51 bad, but its a pretty lousy firearm. (I call the SCCY, my Sunday go-to-meeting piece. Yes it did. WebSome derringers, like the Bond Arms derringers, are brilliantly crafted guns. You did NOT mention that the Pico has RE-STRIKE CAPAPIBILITY. I cant count on my DB380 to run consistently, so I had to give it a low rating. No thanks. Having visited that site, I dont think their rating system really gives me enough information to choose between firearms. Makes me question the authors intentions in this article. Like others, I am a bit surprised by the poor showing of the Beretta. Stainless steel through out the gun. Now I feel like I have t fire the XDS 9MM again before I trust it, Really shook me up when I casually pressed the trigger and got a light clunk. I found that many mags for the Hellcat where not cut properly with too much play at the catch. Not sure why the Sccy is on this list, I own a cpx2 and its great! I love shooting it, and I get closer groups than with my Kel-Tec P-11. In light of that, the valuable service you claim hes doing may well be smoke and mirrors. Its teeny, accurate, and easy to handle. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-right.jpg I think the SCCY might be marginally better and has 2 mags. Too many women wind up dropping the gun which the thug grabs and then uses on the woman. Fan boys gotta fan boy, and critics gotta criticize. I have literally spoken to no one that has said anything positive about the Pico. Check out the 380 showdown in GunWorldin 2012all 3 Keltecs broke and wouldnt run right. Total joke. In fact, reading them, even with comments, is quite nearly a waste of time. But unlike those highly rated guns, the Hellcat IIs rating is in the toilet. The Picos have a huge fan base. As long as you shoot the recommended ammo and keep your weapon cleaned, oiled properly, and replace any defective parts you will get much better performance. I like the concept at least. i used to own a keltec p11. Women need to be told about the woman in Birmingham who was being robbed and pulled out a gun. .380 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) This ammunition round was first introduced by Colt back in 1908, to use in its new Colt Model 1908, which was a compact, hammerless semi-automatic pistol. http://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/ppk/ Given all that, wouldnt it be nice to know which pocket guns you can rule out right off the bat? Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. All of these features together, the improved trigger, the enhanced serrations, the stippling on the grip, and the slightly wider grip size all combine to make the LCP II a better handgun to shoot than the original LCP. But again, the people have spoken: the Pico sucks. My other gun is a Beretta PX4. Wisdom of the crowd is an awfully unknown thing to be making life-and-death decisions on. Probably ran 150 round through it so far. You do not get a small light pistol without trade offs. I think Jimenez and Lorcen companies went bankrupt. And then the gall to refer to Jeremy who by the way did not bother to report that the upgraded model fixed all the issues with the first run. These arent Rambo guns, they are self defense guns. The DB380 is a cheap subcompact 380 pocket pistol. On that note, you KNOW were kind of spoiled with all the great pocket guns available today. I must be the unicorn master then, because I own each of the firearms listed, except the Hellcat, (I have never heard of it before this article) and have never had an issue with any of them. Do you perhaps have a very early one? For its purpose, NOT Bullseye competition, it is a fine gun. Zero malfunctions in 300 rounds including pocket lint coverings. Oh, it fits my hand great too. Diamondback has been plagued by trouble. It a low rating cousin, the people have given the Arsenal Strike a. 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